I’ve banked with First Tech Credit Union since 1994, when they were the only bank that would give a non-resident Microsoft intern like me an account. I had nothing but good service from them for many years, but in the last couple years things have gone really downhill, (starting right around the time they merged with another credit union; probably not a coincidence).
The final straw was this evening; here’s a screenshot of their web site showing my balance on my home equity line of credit:
On July 10th I must have needed some cash for something, so I borrowed $1000 and my balance went from $0 to $1000. Five days later I paid it back, and it said that my new balance was $10.52. Now, this seems like exorbitant interest on a five-day loan, but whatever, as you can see, I paid the $10.52, and my balance went back to zero.
A couple months later I was assessed a late fee of $5. I did not notice this, since my balance was still listed on the web site as zero.
This afternoon I did a credit check and discovered that my credit score had gone down 111 points. 111 points!
I called up First Tech and they cheerfully explained to me that they had charged me $0.75 interest on the $10.52 of interest, and that since I had not paid it in 60 days, they reported my account as delinquent.
As you can see, they were good enough to waive the five dollar fee, and I transferred over the seventy-five cents. Hopefully they will remove the delinquency from my credit report, but we’ll see.
This is the third time this has happened in the last two years. The first time it was for 7 cents, and the second time it was for 17 cents. I informed them at the time that I would be taking my business elsewhere if there was a third time, and that was today.
Add to that a number of other recent issues — during the merger they somehow managed to lose about a years worth of my online bill payment records. A bank lost my banking records. At tax time. And I recently got what I think was a sales call from a representative that was so confusing, uninformed, vague and generally incompetent that I called them back because I genuinely believed I was probably being phished.
So, long story short: first, do not bank with First Tech. They cannot make a web site that shows you your balance, and they will mark an account as delinquent for a discrepancy that does not show up on the web site. I’ve just had my credit ruined over the price of a pack of gum.
Second, I need recommendations for a credit union in the Seattle area that does not suck. Anyone have recommendations? Whack ’em down in the comments!
UPDATE: I had a meeting with my local branch manager, who was the first person in this saga to apologize to me for my inconvenience and clearly state that it was a bad idea to ruin people’s credit over the price of a cup of coffee. But the super amusing part was that he said that this happens all the time.
How? Well, the HELOC has an annual fee, and fee is considered part of the loan, so you end up having to pay a few cents interest on it if you do not pre-pay it, but that interest does not show up in the balance on the web site. So a great many people do not discover this until it goes to collections or shows up on their credit report.
Apparently, he told me, people getting their credit ruined because of a seven cent charge they didn’t know they had is bad for customer satisfaction metrics.
That’s some high quality Business Intelligence analysis right there.
What kind of clown town operation are these people running? Like I said, this has happened to me three times, over a period of several years, and apparently I am not alone. The only conclusion I can come up with is that the problem is not bad enough to bother fixing.
The branch manager asked me for advice, which seemed to me to be rather backwards, but, hey, I’ll answer the question. First Tech, the suggestions I gave your manager were:
- Stop marking these accounts as delinquent. Put a WHERE clause in the SQL query that determines which accounts get flagged for collections or delinquency that filters out accounts that are delinquent by less than the price of, say, a Big Mac.
- Fix your web site to show the actual balance in the “balance” column.
- I was super irritated when I was on the phone getting this sorted out, but the mortgage specialist I spoke with was most interested in telling me that this was my fault, and that what they did was legal. But the problem is not that I think you’re criminals! The problem is that I think you’re incompetent clowns who are actively making my life worse. Staff who are asked to speak to irate customers should be trained on how to solve the real problem, which is retaining the customer’s business and good will.
I think those are reasonable suggestions that could be implemented in pretty short order, and any one of them would have mitigated the problem. Maybe do all three.
- On December 4th my credit rating went back up by 109 points, so likely the delinquency has been removed from my account.
- I’ve spoken to I think five different customer service representatives, most of whom were sympathetic and apologetic.
- I’ve been informed that credit unions are required by law — the Fair Credit Reporting Act or some such thing — to report all delinquencies, even if they are a penny. I understand that you don’t want banks to selectively apply sanctions to “undesirable” customers; that invites all sorts of abuses. But if we’re in a situation where reporting is mandatory, then it is beholden upon the banks to ensure that tiny, accidental delinquencies don’t happen if it can be avoided by any means. I had plenty of money in my accounts when this happened; auto-payment of accounts that are about to become delinquent by less than a dollar should be the default. There should be a great many such mechanisms; this sort of customer service failure should be rare, but I am assured that it is common.
- This was in many ways a failure of communication, and I recognize that communicating effectively is hard. But banks need to recognize the role they’ve played in making it hard. Let’s look at some of the ways its hard.
- The same goes for email. Emails from my bank are sorted automatically into the “promotions” folder. Guess how often I read that? If you said “only when I think there’s miscategorized email in there”, you’re right.
- The same goes for phone calls. The vast majority of the phone calls I get are from a boiler room in India full of angry young men trying to sell me fake Viagra. (I’m not sure how they got my phone number, but they sure are persistent, and pretty mad when I ask them to stop calling.) The last phone call I got from my bank, as I noted above, was so confusing that I was pretty sure I was being phished.
111 points is a lot! I lived 35 years holding the whole credit score system in disdain. Never once checked it, and in fact they had no information about me whatsoever. Then I got married and my wife wanted a house rather than an apartment and I had to get a mortgage… and what a hassle /that/ was with no credit score. 😛 Still don’t like the system.
If it has to be a credit union, my wife is at BECU, and it seems decent to me. They charge very few fees, and they’re reasonable, but they only pay any significant interest on the first $500. If you’re an average American who only has $400 saved, their 6+% interest is about the best deal around, but I’m sure you’re not. However, it meets the low bar of being a credit union in the Seattle area that does not suck.
Personally I left* First Tech because they pay about zero interest, which seems… exploitative. I use Ally bank now, and it’s good so far. Their online banking is award-winning. They pay good interest rates without having to jump through any hoops, although that’s only in the savings account. You can deposit a check by taking a picture of it. Checks are free. They’re open 24/7 if you want to call them, although you can’t walk into a branch.
If you use Fidelity, their cash management account is also pretty good. You get bill pay, checks, unlimited transactions, etc. so it behaves like a checking account, but the interest in SPAXX rivals Ally (and SPRXX beats it), so it pays like a high-end savings account. (You lose FDIC insurance, though.) It’s convenient for someone who wants just one account without having to shuffle money around or jump through hoops to get a decent interest rate.
But those aren’t credit unions in the Seattle area, so… I’m curious what you end up with.
* I wrote a check for $100 a year ago and the guy never cashed it. But he could! So I have this First Tech account with $100.00 that I’ll have to hold on to forever…
That’s great, thank you so much!
I was using WSECU, which was fine I guess, but also switched to Ally a couple years ago because the interest rates being that much better seemed like a big deal, and I figured if I was going to primarily interact with my bank online, it might as well be with a company that does that thing well. I’m very happy with that decision.
Several people have suggested that to me; I’ll check it out!
Um, don’t uncashed cheques expire after six months?
If you already have a Schwab brokerage account, it’s worth looking into their bank accounts too. The interest rates aren’t amazing (“high yield” is currently 0.45%), but they have no account fees, no foreign transaction fees, no minimum balance, and no ATM fees anywhere in the world.
Why yes I do, how could you possibly have known that? 🙂
Thanks, that’s a great idea. I’ll look into it.
BUT…did you pay the interest on the $.75? 😀
Hah! Apparently not.
Wait…am I reading this right? They charged interest on the _interest_? What about _that_ interest? Did they charge interest on it too? Is it interest all the way down?
Reminds me of a “Dirty Money” episode on Netflix, featuring Scott Tucker’s case:
You can dispute the hit on your credit score with Expirian, Trans Union etc online without bothering with documentation and the process is pretty quick. I had no issues with any credit on my account but I got dinged for a 100$ piece of medical equipment that was fobbed on me without explanation of cost which I never used and which required me to jump through hoops to return. So I just threw it in the goddamned trash basket. Eventually it showed up as a hit on my credit report.
I simply followed the links and filed a report explaining that the charge was pretty much a scam and I refused to pay it. It got dropped a few days later, no fuss, no fax.
Again, I had zero credit problems apart from this one ding, so that might have helped me get it dropped…
Several years ago, I bought a TV (and TV stand) at an appliance chain (since gone out of business– wonder why). The total was about $600. They were running a promotion that if I took out one of their store credit cards and charged my order to it, AND paid off the principle in 6 months, they would remit the interest charged.
I dutifully paid $100 a month for the next five months, and on the sixth month, they sent a bill stating a payoff amount of $109.76. I wrote a check for exactly 109.76 — except the loop on the 9 was a bit flat, so it look somewhat like a 7. No matter, the amount in words CLEARLY said “One Hundred – Nine & 76/100”
And naturally, they cashed the check for $107, meaning they think I still owed $2, meaning they would not write off the accumulated interest (about $65)
We went back & forth on this for several years, with the interest & penalties growing to $400+ when they passed it onto a collection agency.
Not sure how it affected my credit score. When I applied to refinance my mortgage, I had to explain it to a loan officer (who assured me that she wouldn’t have paid it either).
Not sure why, but your story gives me a devious desire to simplify the fractions on my checks now. “One hundred and nine and 19/25″…
I’ve done that too. Usually when it’s a round dime ” and 6/10″. Once I did it for an amount ending in 5 ” and 17/20″. It was rejected as “amount in words doesn’t match amount in numbers”. I re-sent it with a rude letter explaining 3rd grade math. THey took it the second time.